Opening
Lenny Rachitsky (00:00:00): I generally value the reference check over interview signals. If I had to stack rank in interviews, what is the best signal? The reference check is the top of the list. Those people, they worked with this person sometimes for years, their knowledge, what you're going to get out of 30 minutes of artificial scenarios it's just like never going to compare what a good reference check will give you. Lenny Rachitsky (00:00:25): Shishir Mehrotra is the co-founder and CEO of Coda....
The opener starts with biography before advice. That order makes the guest legible as a person before the listener extracts tactics.
Accept praise cleanly
Shishir Mehrotra (00:03:48): Thank you for having me. Lenny Rachitsky (00:03:49): I don't think I've actually shared this with you, but you're actually...
Accepts praise without shrinking from it or turning it into a performance.
Carry memory
there is a all different, and actually one thing that is... Actually, let me come back to that evolution. Second best is through the blue loop and then the third, the worst, the hardest is activating through the...
Returns to something said earlier, proving the conversation has memory.
Low-ego framing
Lenny Rachitsky (00:06:51): Heard of it. Shishir Mehrotra...
Uses we/us, uncertainty, or learner framing instead of performing authority.
Accept praise cleanly
Lenny Rachitsky (01:31:18): Amazing. I'm definitely going to join. Thank you, Shishir. Shishir Mehrotra (01:31:22): Yeah. All right. Thank you so much, Lenny. That was really fun. Lenny...
Accepts praise without shrinking from it or turning it into a performance.
Ending
Shishir Mehrotra (01:30:44): Okay. I'll give the same answer to both. Well, I'm easy to find, one of the benefits of having a not very common name. It's easy to find me on basically every platform so you can find me on Twitter. It's easy to DM me, Shishir@Coda.io. It'll get to right to me. But in terms of being useful to me and also finding me, I would highly recommend joining the Rituals of Great Teams Braintrust. And I think it's a pretty fun experience to get a chance to contribute to a book like that....
The ending hands attention back to the guest's work instead of ending on the host.